The recall why now and what are the facts?

10/19/2021 25 Comments

The recall why now and what are the facts?

The recall is not frivolous; Peter Webb’s term does not expire until 2023.
Peter Webb has stated that he will step down if he is recalled before his term is up in 2023. Peter has no choice. The recall will end his term as a board member.
Peter Webb has stated that recall election contract was approved for up to $12000. However, he failed to mention that the actual cost is closer to $6000.
There is currently three board positions open for the next annual election. If Peter Webb is recalled, there will be four board positions open for the next annual election.
This month, the board will be voting for a replacement of a board member that resigned. This is not a recall related event. The board will either select an existing committee member or reach out to the community for the board member replacement.
3 of the 4 testimonials for Peter Webb were from existing HOA committee members appointed by Peter and the board. All of these testimonials vouched for him personally but did not state what he has done for the community.

The Blog would like to hear your thoughts.

Bert Brecht

10/19/2021 09:10:05 pm

Has any "polling" been done for this recall election? If it's close, what can we do to help ensure a positive outcome?
Is there an excellent candidate ready when the recall succeeds?

Anonymous

10/20/2021 08:03:12 am

If successful, Mr. Webb's replacement will be voted upon by all owners in February 2022 along with 3 other Board positions that open up at that time. Several competent and committed owners have already signaled their intention to run at that time. This is an unprecedented opportunity for the residents to elect a Board that is open and transparent, one that will truly represent the interests of ALL owners, not just a small segment of the community.

John Thomas

10/20/2021 07:25:34 pm

With respect, a positive outcome would be to back away from this nonsense! What’s the real motive of those leading the recall petition? It seems to be a bunch of whiners that don’t appreciate all the volunteer work, planning and time that is provided by any Board member willing to put their name forward! Wait for the next AGM and election of new Board Members and put your name on the candidates’ list.

Concerned Homeowner

10/20/2021 07:35:59 pm

John,

All the homeowners want the best for our community, No one has chastised any of the board members because they are volunteers, Calling anyone who does not share your opinion a "whiner" does not contribute to a constructive dialog. Peter Webb would continue to direct the Board until 2023 if he is not recalled. If you personally believe that his behavior and direction of the board is in the best interests of the homeowners then so be it. Instead of being a "whiner" on this blog and put your name on the candidate list.

Denise Mourges

10/20/2021 12:52:13 am

Your responsive comments to criticism of need for recall make sense.

Vivian Wilson

10/20/2021 07:22:38 am

Not sure if everyone is aware but I just found out that, even as homeowners, the HOA will NOT issue any card transponders anymore. We are only allowed a transponder if it is attached to a vehicle. So if you have a rental car you will need to purchase a transponder for $50 each time you visit, or you will be waiting in line at the main gate each time you enter. THIS was a board decision, not MT. This will no doubt create more work and time ie: expense for our security staff.

Baloney Math

10/20/2021 10:04:22 am

They also jacked up the cost of transponders, re-initiation, etc
You should see the baloney math the board used to conclude the cost passed on to homeowners. It makes no sense and is congruent to their auction style choosing of the cost of the rental application.
Do I have $15....humina humina... how about $30? SOLD at $50 per transponder!

Peter the Absent

10/20/2021 01:12:17 pm

-An absent neighbor is a "good" neighbor indeed.
lol!!!

Trevor

10/20/2021 03:47:15 pm

I am glad to see that all transponders have to be attached to a vehicle. Homeowners were handing out their card transponders like candy at Halloween. We need to control who is coming and going through Desert Princess. With both gates open during the day, there are few lineups.

Terry

10/20/2021 10:14:13 am

I am writing in response to the letter from next door neighbor of Peter Webb, namely Bill and Virginia Lattuer. It is unfortunate that each and every homeowner in DP cannot be a nextdoor neighbor to Mr Webb and thereby enjoy the wonderful relationship that Bill and Virginia enjoy. By their account he is a good neighbor. But the germain issue involves his position as President of the BOD.

I agree that we all have our opinions about decisions made by Mr Webb. We are also entitled to have opinions as to the suitability of Mr Webb for his current position as President of the BOD. Again, unfortunately Bill and Virginia, many homeowner find Mr Webb to be abusive, profane, dictatorial and uncompromising in his position as President. He appears to, shall we say, stretch the truth about such things as for example the cost of moving the women's tee box, and even acknowledging the board's understanding that this work was taking place. Homeowners can become uncomfortable when over time they don't believe their money is being used wisely. The recall process is a legal process in place for a specific purpose including suitability for office as determined by the homeowners.

I may be mistaken Bill and Virginia, but you seem to imply that all will be well in Feburary of 2022. Mr Webb's term does not expire until 2023. If Mr Webb is not recalled we will continue to have a disfunctional BOD and be forced to listen to him disparage homeowners and of course even members of the Board of Directors. His authoritarian rule must be dispensed with and homeowner's united in an effort to protect the future financial stabilty and enjoyment of Desert Princess. Vote yes to recall Peter Webb

Trevor

10/20/2021 10:54:00 am

In reply to the last email we received from the Littauer’s. I’m very happy that Perter is your neighbor, when was the last time you saw him? I really don’t care about your co-op in New York. I care what is happening at Desert Princess. Rules are not being followed, unnecessary money is being spent and a division of the community is being created because of Peter’s leadership.

For clarification Peter's term is NOT up until Feb 2023 not 4 months as you would like the homeowners to believe. Why are you doubting the signatures on the petition and blaming homeowners who have rentals? Have you seen the petition? Or is this what you have been told by Peter? If you can’t get your facts straight, why should we believe anything you said in your email? Being on the board is a thankless job and you will receive criticism no matter what you do. Peter choose to run for the board, it is his hobby!

Saul Stankus

10/20/2021 11:01:01 am

What's the big deal about transponders for guests, passes are the norm in the desert for guests ever try to get a transponder at Mission Hills?
For the most part this blog is a joke rev up your resumes and get elected if you qualify and get over your personality issues as we need winners not whiners. Your all too confident about recall as very few residents ever get involved in the election process here at DP.
Good luck you will definitely need it.

Anonymous

10/20/2021 11:24:31 am

Oh ye of little faith, Mr. Stankus. Today's Desert Princess community is significantly different than it has been in previous decades. Success in any venture is never assured, but as the old adage goes, "Hope springs eternal.". That said, thank you for your kind wishes of good luck to those many owners who support this process.

Takis P Vartelas

10/20/2021 06:53:22 pm

Mr. Stankus
I guess you have learned to call people names from the BEST (Norm, Peter's neighbors, etc.).
So, if in your mind we are a "Joke" then you should "ZIP IT". I think we all had enough with rude people. Thank you for your attention

D C

10/20/2021 08:47:27 pm

“I can and will raise the dues” – Mr. Webb readily acknowledged that he did say this and regrets having done so.

"Rentals at Desert Princess Palm Springs have existed for some time. While that has not changed over time, what has is the ease with which homeowners may rent their condos or villas to strangers. Gone are the days when renters were typically friends, family or co-workers personally known by homeowners" - Terri Swartz August 16, 2021

“Your beliefs become your thoughts, Your thoughts become your words, Your words become your actions, Your actions become your habits, Your habits become your values, Your values become your destiny.” - MKGhandi

Mr Webb, your acknowledgement of your Napoleonic Dictatorship complex is not enough. Your actions and your words represent your thoughts. You and your crony BOD (i.e. exclude Mr Bergstrom the lone "voice of reason") should resign. Mrs. Swartz your bigoted discriminatory beliefs do not represent the values of our community. If you are afraid of strangers you should not be allowed to represent the needs and wants of our community.

Takis P Vartelas

10/21/2021 12:38:03 pm

“I can and will raise the dues” – Mr. Webb readily acknowledged that he did say this and regrets having done so.
Well, here is the irony.
He did regret having done so, but HE DID SAY THAT AND HE DID RAISED THE DUES.
So who cares about his regrets.
One more thing:
If people keep calling us names publicly because we do not agree with who is running (???) the Board and trying to do something in a democratic way, like voting, I will NOT stay tolerate it any longer.
If you people do not like what we say and/or plan to do ZIP IT up and stay away form answering in a disrespectful and rude manner.

Paul

10/20/2021 09:42:32 pm

Whiners
Is that what people were called when Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin and all the others like them got called when they tried to speak up?

Rob Wilson

10/21/2021 09:00:47 am

The big deal with transponders applies to homeowners not guests. Unlike guests, one of the paid benefits for us owners is that we can use both gates and don’t have to line up - wasting our time and creating more work for security.
I agree with Trevor that it makes sense to put a sticker on your windshield. However, that creates an issue for all Canadians who gave not been allowed to drive their car across the US border for 19 months. It also creates an issue for any owner from say NY, WA, CHI, Canada etc who is only coming down for a week or two and is flying here. The current solution is to pay $50 each time you come down, put a sticker on your rental car, or be restricted to visitor entry procedures.
I appreciate the concern Re handing out transponders like candy, but in reality wouldn’t that be one owner at a time, loaning it to a visitor/guest/renter when the owner is away? Are owners really buying handfuls of cards @$50 each and handing them out?
Could a better solution that works for all be created? Maybe the owner is limited to one card per household and must sign a form saying the transponder will only be used by the owner, and they lose it and the ability to get another card if they abuse it.

Terry

10/21/2021 01:00:52 pm

The recent recap of the "Board Chat" released by the board revealed that BOD President Peter Webb has recall issues. That is to say, when asked, Mr Webb cannot recall making statements that didn't land too well with homeowners at the last board meeting. When questioned specifically about these statements Mr Webb could not recall having uttered these statements but was absolutely certain that he did not. Selective memory at work. There is a simple remedy to this issue that can be found in the "Board Communique" issued on 10/14/21. Under the heading of "board meetings" the rules are laid out. I quote, "As a reminder, video or audio recording are prohibited by attendees."

The board should know that video recordings in public are absolutely legal and guaranteed by the First Amendment of the Constitution under Freedom of the press. Anyone can be a member of the free press. Any thing that can be seen from public can be recorded including officials during their official duties. The clubhouse is open to the public. There is "no expectation of privacy in public" so no permission to record is necessary. Video recording the meetings could help immensely with "recall" issues. BTW, the board has given themselves permission to video tape the meetings.

For more information just google "video taping in public". There is a great amount of law on this issue as you will find. You will also find that prohibiting video recording in public is unlawful.

Anonymous

10/21/2021 07:17:12 pm

The Board has confirmed all HOA meetings are audio recorded for purposes of transcription into minutes for homeowners. Perhaps destruction of these tapes should be delayed until such time as owners review these minutes for accuracy. If challenged, retention of tapes could serve to courteously jog memories of all participants.

Terry

10/22/2021 08:59:08 pm

There is no reason to request that the BOD retain their video tape of the meetings. Video taping in public is a Constitutionally protected right under the first Amendment.The Supreme court ruled that "there is no expectation of privacy in public" so no permission to video tape is required. Any citizen can be a member of the press. Any thing that can be seen from public can be video taped. Prohibition of video taping in public is a violation of the 1st. Amendmend which is the highest law in the land. It does not appear that in all instances the BOD has been completely forthright or honest in sharing details of their operations. Why bother with questionable history when our right to video tape the public meeting is perfectly legal?

Bobby B

10/24/2021 10:54:58 am

Saturday, October 23rd people were campaigning in the community with leave-behind door hangers that stated RECALL PETER WEBB. And they were nice ones at that--heavy, laminated and not flimsy paper that would blow off the gates and doors and litter the community. Within a few hours most of these campaign door hangers were removed and one of the RECALL PETER WEBB yard signs that pepper the front yards of villas and the front porches of condos throughout the community were placed in the common use planter areas of 67295 Cumbres Court with a large X through it. That sign should be removed because it's on common area and per the "HOA Signage Rules" recently distributed by Management Trust, it is illegal and the person who placed it there should be cited and perhaps fined. Patrol Services is required to remove any signage on common use area immediately. Let's see how long it takes for them to take it down. If it was an illegally placed sign FOR the Recall of Peter Webb, the HOA would have Patrol Services on a dead run to get their butts over there and remove it ASAP. If management and/or Peter Webb instructed Patrol Services to remove the door hangers, they should be replaced immediately by Patrol Services because once again, it is against California Civil Code §4515 and is against the law.

Once again the lawful election processes of California Civil Code as outlined in §4515. Assembly for Political Purposes, Flyers (b) (5) have been questioned and challenged by our community's leadership--specifically PETER WEBB, President of the Desert Princess Board of Directors. He made threats in writing to a homeowner he wrongfully suspected of putting a door hanger on his house and other homes. Is it or is it not Peter Webb's job to know this information? Perhaps he should utilize his time in Canada to bone up on the laws and rules here in the USA and specifically California. It's easy to find on the Internet and I am almost certain he has access to the Internet because of his propensity for his "safe" "dictatorial" zoom meetings.

Take a gander at California Civil Code §4515 (a) (b) (5) and (d):

(a) It is the intent of the Legislature [of California] to ensure that members and residents of common interest developments have the ability to exercise their rights under law to peacefully assemble and freely communicate with one another and with others with respect to common interest development living or for social, political, or educational purposes.
(b) The governing documents, including bylaws and operating rules, shall not prohibit a member or resident of a common interest development from doing any of the following:
(5) Distributing or circulating, without prior permission, information about common interest development living, association elections, legislation, election to public office, or the initiative, referendum, or recall processes, or other issues of concern to members and residents at reasonable hours and in a reason manner.
(d) A member or resident of a common interest development who is prevented by the association or its agents from engaging in any of the activities described in this section may bring a civil or small claims court action to enjoin the enforcement of a governing document, including a bylaw and operating rule, that violates this section. The court may assess a civil penalty of not more than five hundred dollars ($500) for each violation.

We don't need to be bullied or fined or disciplined by Peter Webb when our freedom of speech and civil rights are being illegally trampled upon by him. He uses his position as board president to make threats that implicate all the sitting board members, which is dangerous for the other six people on the board who are unaware of what he is doing and saying to and about specific homeowners. I doubt if they would relish being served to appear in court for something that Peter Webb threatened as an inclusive board action without their knowledge.

Let's stop Peter Webb's knee jerk reactions and increasing anger flare-ups that result in his assine statements that he sometimes remembers and sometimes forgets, depending on who's asking. It's time to put him out to pasture. RECALL PETER WEBB.

Another very concerned homeowner

10/24/2021 08:57:54 pm

Indeed. Peter Webb is not competent to be the President of the Board at Desert Princess. He lacks understanding of the California Civil Codes that govern HOAs.
RECALL PETER WEBB

Takis P Vartelas

10/24/2021 10:41:51 pm

This is what I emailed back to Mr. and Mrs. Littauer after I received an email from them backing Peter Webb.

We are happy that you are Mr. Webb's next door neighbors and very enthusiastic about it.
But we are also happy that we have not been his neighbors.
Please be respectful to the community and let this democratic process take place.
And don't worry about bricks and elevators. We have none here.
Relax and vote on what makes you feel good about. And let us do the same.
Respectfully
Takis Vartelas

And this is my answer to Peter Webb on his email I also received earlier today.

Mr. Webb:
No matter what you claim, we will vote YES to recall.
The fact that you still agree and enjoy the fighting between homeowners concerning yourself is very disturbing.
A good leader, especially one that could not be with his/her members all this time would step down.
I am sorry but you are not someone that I would like to support
Respectfully
Takis Vartelas

Mary Maloney

10/26/2021 09:00:30 am

While this board spent $15,000 just on a "concept" for a fire pit patio at the clubhouse, not even drawings, they EXPECT us to believe that moving the ladies tee box at Lagos 6 was less than $2,000??? Really??? They honestly think we are NOT paying attention.

And the official reason was line of sight because of a tree? Then cut the tree down as part of your 20% of 5,000 tree removal program. Instead they are spending thousands to move this tee box. (Other golf courses have confirmed this could be $15,000-$25,000) Ask the greens crew and they will tell you it is because a lady golfer wanted it moved and she is the wife of a board member. Rumor mill, maybe. But, the truth and the money are in the middle.

Homeowners need to be eyes wide open about the $$$ in our community and lack of revenue from golf operations and the country club. Otherwise, we will continue to see dues increases yearly.

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