The Rental assessment fees starting October 1st,2020 was $100. On October 1, 2021 it will rise to $500.
Below is the HOA Board's explanation along with questions to the homeowners:
The Blog would like to get the homeowners impressions of the explanation for the rental assessment going from $100 to $500.
8/5/2021 07:59:25 pm
The HOA should provide a detailed accounting of how all funds are used. 500 per year does not seem excessive if the dollars are used to increase security and protect all occupants, renters and owners alike. Accountability is key
8/13/2021 08:07:13 am
Whitney, I agree. But know when we had an incident at our home, we were told very clearly by the Head of the Department that this is merely patrol and not security services that are provided at our resort, even though their vehicles say security. They didn't even take an incident report or come into our home to look at anything. We need increased lighting in our community, additional cameras and security in "soft spots" throughout not $5m more in landscaping.
8/17/2021 09:16:24 pm
I completely agree that steps need to be taken to tighten up on our security. I am hoping our new head of patrol will be able too address the many issues we have here. I believe it would be beneficial to have a dialog with her where we can ask questions and get feedback in return.
8/5/2021 08:25:24 pm
We as vacation rental owners should be thankful that we are allowed to provided short term rentals within the gates. We are glad to pay for this increases because we think the added over site will help us secure a future in being able to rent short term in the future. Because we are only 25% of the ownership that rents we need to consider those living full time at DP. The HOA might just become reliant on this extra income making it harder to do away with STVR in the future. Be well.
8/5/2021 08:27:55 pm
I am totally frustrated and infuriated by all of the upcoming increases !! I cannot believe these changes were allowed to go thru ESPECIALLY when (at least 10 people that I spoke to personally) had NO IDEA IF THESE PENDING INCREASES. What is the HOA doing to warrant any such increases that were recently passes ? I know that I have called for services that are never done for me !
8/5/2021 08:39:44 pm
Renting out your home is protected in the bylaws of Desert Princess and should be protected. All 1000+ homes in our community are worth significantly more because all homeowners have the freedom to rent their home. The $500 fee to owners who rent seems punitive. Good data conclusively showing that a significantly disproportionate percentage of financially costly problems are being caused by renters need to be present before talk of a $500 fee to landlords sould even be proposed.
8/16/2021 08:16:34 am
This is what Jerry Storage responded with to inquiries for the actual data:
8/5/2021 08:50:15 pm
Yes I believe it is high and unfair to those who just rent fir a month or two we already pay a lot fir HOA and it’s not even bieng maintained properly there’s always dirt in front of the garages the landscaping isn’t kept up at all we have to always call to have something done even the pool isn’t as clean and maybe you should start properly taking care of all before you start charging more fees to the homeowners my condo is where I and my family stay not a full time renter so I shouldn’t need to pay period ty
8/5/2021 09:16:31 pm
The increase is excessive. Why do we need a third compliance officer? I'd like a breakdown of the duties that the existing officers perform and an accounting of what the duties are of the new position and how they are different from the existing positions. I know that when we were told to paint our door, we were contacted weekly by the senior compliance officer as though she had nothing else to do. It was a door for crying out loud and we had six months to get it painted. If she was truly busy, I don't think she would have been contacting us weekly to check on progress.
8/5/2021 09:49:09 pm
If a DP homeowner has only one unit which is for their primary use but they occasionally rent it to a third party, perhaps the fee should stay at $100 in that scenario? However, if the DP member has one or more rental units perhaps the $500 fee per rental unit is fair as it can easily be argued such rental(s) would represent a business undertaking!
8/13/2021 08:04:24 am
Hi John, I would agree with you if the board can show actual data/reports to justify hiring another compliance officer and that we need to buy another vehicle DUE to renters. There is no data supporting their claims. I think we are all willing to pay our fair share just show the data, which this board cannot do even thought every newsletter from our HOA begins with "we have received numerous complaints about renters" then where is the log, show us the reports. In my opinion it is a "created problem" with no data to support their desire to raise the fee. Where will the oversight be as to how they spend the approximate $150,000 they will raise?
8/5/2021 10:21:35 pm
What additional services occur because of rentals and/or what increase in rentals leading to additional services are suggesting that there is a need for over and above the HOA fees that are paid monthly, regardless of rental or owner occupied - or empty- for the very same services the HOA is already chartered to provide?
8/13/2021 08:08:35 am
Art, I have asked Jerry Storage on multiple occasions for the reports and data that the HOA board used in determining this increase and none have been provided. I don't think their is any data supporting this "created problem".
8/5/2021 10:23:07 pm
I find the i tease in the rental fee from $100 to $500 excessive and unjustified. I urge the board to reconsider and at the very least distinguish between relatively stable long-term rentals and the more problematic shorter rentals.
8/6/2021 06:12:35 am
Recall the Board! Fire the General Manager for not doing his job! This is outrageous.
8/6/2021 06:17:56 am
This current increase in the HOA dues is the 6th one in 4 years. It was $608 from 1990-2017. If things were new then and little needed to be maintained, where has all that extra money gone? We should have a nice reserve. I bought in 2017 and the dues have gone up 5 times in those 4 years. And for what? Increased security? I was broken into the first month after I purchased! Better landscaping? There are flowers planted along my front walkway that die within a month of planting-just a waste of money. And the weeds that grow in my garden that borders the golf course are never pulled by the landscape maintenance. I pull them myself! The HOA board’s attitude of “we are not concerned with curtailing costs just paying the expenses” is very reckless.
8/6/2021 06:21:31 am
The $500 fee is grossly unfair to those of us who only rent their homes for a few months when they can't use it themselves. The fee should be based on the number of months the unit is rented. There is a big difference between having a unit available for rent year round and only renting it for a month or two when we snow birds are back in our permanent residences.
8/6/2021 07:09:09 am
These rental fees are ridiculous. Paying the $100 annual fee was bad enough but no fee should ever be allowed to increase 400% unless proof of need is justified. Long term rentals should be charged ONCE and seasonal a larger fee IF necessary with the larger population. STR’s maybe monthly if rented but AGAIN ONLY IF there is a justifiable reason for the need to monitor. Let those few “problem” rentals pay fines if they’re not in compliance. Why do we ALL have to be punished when most of us vet our renters appropriately? But I repeat, Long Term Renters are NOT the problem! Long Term Renters care about their surroundings and appreciate the beauty of their home.
8/6/2021 07:28:08 am
Below is a question regarding the compliance officer and an answer from the board.
8/6/2021 07:37:23 am
We have rented a condo full time to a minister for three years. He is not wealthy. We have charged $1400 per month rent. After property taxes, insurance, HOA fees, Indian land lease and the rental unit fee paid to the Cathedral City PD we net something over $100 monthly … before repairs and maintenance. Our $100 profit is also before the $400 fee increase.
8/6/2021 07:42:00 am
In my opinion our security service is understaffed, undertrained, overwhelmed and not accountable. It’s gone from bad to worse. I don’t think that raising the rental fees with a exorbitant feet will solve the problem at all. Once again our rude, unprofessional and unaccountable board has covered up a probably and thinks it will just go away by throwing money at it. Unfortunately our board has become part of the problem rather then part of the solution. Example: what brainchild came up with the increased costed of $127500 expense and how did they derive at this ? So on and so on …..
8/6/2021 08:12:01 am
As a rental owner I am all about paying my fair share of expenses, HOWEVER, the board has not provided any data, study or statistics that STVR guests are causing increased expenses above what we already pay to be compliant. We are fully compliant with the city and their enforcement. What does current compliance at our HOA do that another officer is needed, to enforce what? They have provided zero data on number of violations, enforcement or fines.
8/6/2021 09:35:51 am
8/6/2021 12:25:56 pm
Well said Mary!!! I completely agree!!!
8/20/2021 10:06:49 am
What can we do to reduce the cost of a private security service? They could use golf carts to get around the community, they can’t do anything anyway. So things like increased lighting and cameras, as has already been suggested, might be a security solution for us. Has anyone seen a report, monthly or annual, on the kinds of calls security receives from residents or the number of actual crimes committed? It seems to me a budget item that increases 400% is something that should have been planned for way ahead of time and completed in incremental changes, not just thrown at the community all of a sudden. The idea of always spending money instead of planning for the expense is outrageous. More outrageous is we the residents don’t have a clue what is happening until something like this mess shows up. There has to be better communication between all the factions at DP!
Jennie A Osment
8/6/2021 08:20:15 am
What does it matter if I'm staying in my house, or if a renter is staying in my house? Isn't that what are HOA fees cover? Why would it be any different whether it's me staying there or a 'renter' staying there? It's the same difference to me. I think it's a little ridiculous, especially because they are probably making more money with the renters utilizing the clubhouse and the green fees. Not to mention the fees we have to pay to Cathedral City just to rent out our place.
8/6/2021 10:06:35 pm
Why does “Anon “ feel afraid to state their name ?
8/13/2021 08:15:45 am
Anon or whomever you are, interesting that you won't state your name. The fact Jennie is making is on infastructure not whether it is a business or not. The HOA and the City is making more revenue by outside gusts being at our RESORT. Yes owners must get permits and a business license, but how is that effecting costs at the Desert Princess HOA? We have had rentals at our resort for years and already have a compliance officer. It was built as a resort and the Princess Cruise Line even rented the condos on a fractional profit share basis. We are meant to run as a resort with outside guests.
8/6/2021 10:38:40 am
Without the actual cost breakdown provided, how did the $500 amount get determined? How is it even legal? To me this is just an arbitrary number to discourage STR or any renters. We have been renting here for over 30 years before we bought in here. Really upset and discouraged by this new attitude that renters are causing problems and increased security costs. Your property values all go up because of people like us who rented here first and then picked this community to buy and move into. Now we are treated like pariahs and being gouged first by the City and our own HOA. The fines being imposed are insane and usurious, yet the false complaint fines are minimal. That is totally not fair and again slanted to encourage complaints real or imagined, with the goal to get rid of all rentals completely. Our guests have never caused a single problem, nor have we ever had a single complaint lodged against us, from STR or long term renters. This cost is punitive, exorbitant, and unfounded on any real costs to the HOA.
8/6/2021 12:28:01 pm
Patrick, I completely agree!!! Well stated!
8/6/2021 11:51:11 am
IRS defines rental income as either passive or active. In other words rental properties can be a business or an investment. IRS, further, defines the criteria on what makes a rental property a business or an investment. The HOA, by directive, have declared that all Desert Princess property owners that rent their property "are running a business", and hence should pay an onerous assessment fee. In effect, the HOA are treating some property owners differently than others. Unless the HOA reverses this discriminatory assessment, this will probably end up in court. Then we will all pay for the legal costs
8/6/2021 12:27:11 pm
8/6/2021 07:54:13 pm
If you can't put your name, you do not belong on this forum "Anon"
8/7/2021 05:35:07 am
I agree Pam. I tend to believe in an open, informational forum, the "anons" are Board trolls. Especially when the message is written in caps. How sad is that.
8/7/2021 01:11:25 pm
Anon, This is California USA, still a free society. Conflicting opinions still get resolved in the court of law. The HOA must operate according to the laws in effect. The HOA's board may enact rules which are legally binding upon residents as long as they do not conflict with the CC&Rs or state or federal law. By enacting regulations creating separate groups of homeowners (i.e. landlords vs residents), in fact the HOA is violating the state and federal law. Among the owners that will be affected by this new regulation, there will be at least a few that will have the $75 and the time to drive the courthouse and file complaints in small claims against having to pay a discriminatory assessment. Regardless if they use it or not, all owners are paying for the golf course, club house/restaurant etc. Why is a rental property treated differently? Worse yet, the HOA had prior knowledge of the fact that their actions are discriminatory, hence they (i.e. all of us) are liable for possible punitive damages. At lease this is my opinion.
8/6/2021 10:20:01 pm
I've been doing vacation rentals here for @ 20 years.
8/7/2021 01:25:11 pm
Tim, I completely agree with you: complaining about it will not do any good. Also, it seems that the HOA is a monolithic group, that is not interested in different point of views. This was best exemplified by their refusal to nominate Charlotte (as the highest runner-up) to the board, when a seat became available. Additionally, I thank you for being a responsible. considerate owner, and for not renting to problem tenants. In fact, I would like to add that the problem with the short term rentals, seem to be associated with Property Management companies such as VACASA.
9/2/2021 05:01:45 pm
and if proper procedures were followed we could actually track what the problem is and how to fix it. But instead we are just going to throw more money at it, we being STVR owners. My biggest pet peeve is after I vet my renters (no children, no pets, nothing shorter than 2 weeks, no parties allowed) security will allow my guests to add overnight guests. So what was contracted for 2 guests now becomes 6 guests! I choose my guests wisely, I do not want 6 guests in my house. If they would allow guests only on contract maybe they would have less issues. I know it would help me immensely with less wear and tear on my home and utility costs!
8/10/2021 09:27:40 am
8/13/2021 08:19:52 am
Timothy, agree 1000% and as a STVR condo owner, which there are none on this existing board, I plan to run at the next election. Taking action is the key. I appreciate all of your comments.
8/13/2021 10:42:27 am
I'll vote for you Mary!!!!!
8/7/2021 08:48:19 am
I have to agree with Tim in that complaining won't help this situation. It is clear from the last meeting that the current Board ( with the exception of Bill) is not interested in hearing our complaints or issues. We have an election early 2022 for three positions. With everyone's help and Bill's endorsement for three new candidates we just may be in a position to have our voices heard. For one, I would like to see Charlotte run again and this time her votes will count.
8/13/2021 08:27:43 am
Valorie Farber and myself will be running as well. Both of us run multi million dollar businesses and are STVR owners and love DP. We have invested in this community for a reason and love it. It can be amazing if run like a business. This community was built as a RESORT, not a private golf club. Our amenities should be bringing in money to offset our HOA dues not the other way around.
8/12/2021 03:02:57 pm
As a new condo owner, I would like to know if a homeowner only meeting is ever scheduled.
8/12/2021 05:52:32 pm
In the 21-22 year, I'll be renting my villa for 3 months. (long term). That makes this fee cost $167/month, not $42. I have a permanent renter in my condo. He's
8/14/2021 05:09:29 pm
We got hit with a rental violation of $5k earlier this year, which was reduced to $1K. Pretty ridiculous we feel as first time offenders with a 27 day rental. We were not in compliance with a business license or Rental Info Form on file with the HOA. We feel that a warning should have come prior to an exohorbant fine. We have heard chatter that the BOD/HOA was going to reverse course and rescind the fines all together. Does anyone have any knowledge of this?
8/16/2021 08:22:52 am
The fines are exorbitant and ridiculous for first time violations. The BOD voted in all of the recommendations of the STVR committee, led by Terri Swartz. This HOA is trying to punish the actual people who are bringing revenue to this resort. And how about the fact that the fine for filing a false complaint is only $100......
8/16/2021 03:08:48 pm
In an News/Notice published today August 16, 2021 on the Desert Princess Portal Terri Swartz states:
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